The 'Black Box' part II
Discussing the 'Black box' interpretation of Neural Nets with ChatGPT
This is a continuation of our previous discussion of the idea that Neural Networks are ‘black-boxes’. While in the first part we discussed the problem from an abstract mathematical point of view in this part we continue our discussion with computational aspects of NNs. For this part I used the new reasoning feature of ChatGPT though I personally didn’t notice any significant changes compared to the earlier version.
Q: OK so let's move on to the computational aspects of NNs. Could you give some common arguments for why NNs could reasonably be said to be black boxes from a computational perspective?
ChatGPT: From a computational standpoint, there are several common arguments for why neural networks are often considered "black boxes":
Opacity of Internal Representations
Distributed Representations:
Neural networks often learn highly distributed representations, meaning that information is spread across many neurons rather than localized in a few. This makes it hard to pinpoint which parts of the network are responsible for particular aspects of the output.Non-Linear Transformations:
The layers of non-linear transformations obscure any simple mapping between input features and outputs. Even if one can trace the computation step-by-step, the resulting representations do not have clear, interpretable meanings.
Complexity and Scale
High Dimensionality:
Modern neural networks often contain millions or even billions of parameters. The sheer scale makes it infeasible to inspect or understand the influence of each parameter on the overall function.Deep Architectures:
Deep networks involve many layers of computation. Each layer’s output serves as the input for the next, and small changes in earlier layers can have amplified or highly non-linear effects later, complicating our understanding of the overall computation.
Training Process and Optimization Dynamics
Non-Convexity:
The loss landscapes of neural networks are non-convex, meaning that the training process involves navigating a highly complex, multi-dimensional space with many local minima. The path taken by gradient descent is not easily interpretable.Initialization and Stochasticity:
Random initialization and the stochastic nature of algorithms like stochastic gradient descent mean that different training runs (even on the same data) can yield different internal representations and parameter configurations, even if the final performance is similar.
Lack of Explicit Feature Engineering
Implicit Feature Learning:
Unlike traditional models where features are manually designed and have clear meanings, neural networks learn features automatically from data. These learned features often do not correspond directly to human-understandable concepts, which contributes to the black-box perception.Emergent Complexity:
The features that emerge in hidden layers are a result of complex interactions during training. They might capture subtle patterns in the data that are not easily expressed in human language or simple rules.
Intractability of Global Interpretability
Local Explanations vs. Global Understanding:
While techniques such as saliency maps or layer-wise relevance propagation can provide local, instance-specific explanations, they do not offer a global understanding of how the entire network operates.Post-Hoc Interpretations:
Many interpretability methods are applied after training (post-hoc) and are inherently heuristic. They provide insights that can be useful, but these insights are not guaranteed to reflect the true decision-making process of the network in a faithful or complete way.
Opaque Decision Boundaries
Complex Decision Surfaces:
The decision boundaries learned by neural networks, especially in high-dimensional spaces, can be extremely intricate. Understanding why a network makes a particular decision for a specific input requires unraveling this complexity, which is often not feasible.
In summary, from a computational perspective, neural networks are often seen as black boxes because their internal workings—driven by high-dimensional parameter spaces, non-linear transformations, and complex training dynamics—do not lend themselves to straightforward interpretation. Although the computation is well-defined and deterministic for a given set of parameters, the emergent properties and the opaque nature of their internal representations contribute to their black-box status.
Q: I think at this point it might be a good idea to distinguish between the training of NN and inference/forward pass of a NN.
ChatGPT: Absolutely, distinguishing between the training phase and the inference (or forward pass) phase is very useful, as each exhibits its own challenges and sources of "opacity." Here's a breakdown of the differences and how they relate to the black-box perception:
1. Training Phase
Characteristics:
Optimization Dynamics:
Non-Convexity: The training of neural networks involves optimizing a non-convex loss function. This means that the process navigates a complex, high-dimensional landscape with many local minima and saddle points.
Stochasticity: Training typically uses stochastic methods (like stochastic gradient descent), meaning that the path through the parameter space depends on random factors such as mini-batch sampling and weight initialization.
Parameter Updates:
High Dimensionality: Modern networks have millions or billions of parameters. Understanding the role of each parameter during training is practically infeasible.
Arbitrary Solutions: Due to the overparameterized nature of neural networks, many different sets of parameters can achieve similar performance. The particular solution found is influenced by the training procedure, making it hard to pin down a unique “explanation” for why specific weights took on the values they did.
Emergent Representations:
Feature Learning: During training, the network develops internal representations that are learned in a distributed and often unintuitive manner. These representations may capture complex patterns, but they do so in ways that are not immediately interpretable.
Adaptation to Data: The training process molds these representations to fit the training data, yet the methods by which these internal features emerge remain a subject of active research.
Why It Contributes to the Black-Box Nature:
The training process is opaque because it involves many hidden factors (random initialization, stochastic updates, non-linear interactions) that lead to a final set of parameters with little transparency regarding how exactly they encode the learned function.
The non-deterministic aspects of training (due to stochasticity) mean that each training run can result in different internal structures even if the output behavior is similar, making it difficult to generalize insights across models.
2. Inference / Forward Pass Phase
Characteristics:
Deterministic Computation:
Fixed Parameters: During inference, the model’s parameters are fixed. The forward pass is simply the deterministic evaluation of the learned function.
Straightforward Computation: Given an input, the network processes it through a series of matrix multiplications and non-linear activations to produce an output. There’s no optimization or stochasticity involved in this phase.
Transparency in Execution:
Well-Defined Flow: The sequence of operations in the forward pass is fully specified by the architecture. In theory, one could trace the computation from input to output step-by-step.
Reproducibility: For the same input and fixed weights, the output will always be the same. This makes the forward pass more predictable and easier to simulate than the training process.
Why It Can Still Be Seen as a Black Box:
Interpretability of Representations: Even though the forward pass is deterministic, the internal activations (the hidden representations) remain complex and distributed. It’s often non-trivial to understand how these activations lead to the final decision.
Lack of Explicit Semantics: The operations in the forward pass are mathematical and lack intrinsic, human-understandable semantics. For example, knowing that a particular neuron fires to a certain degree does not readily reveal what concept or feature that neuron represents.
Complex Decision Boundaries: Even in inference, the decision boundaries defined by the network can be highly complex and non-linear, making it challenging to interpret why a particular input is classified in a certain way.
Conclusion:
While the forward pass of a neural network is algorithmically transparent—executing a known series of operations with fixed weights—the overall system remains a black box largely due to the opacity introduced during training and the inherently distributed nature of learned representations. This distinction helps clarify that even if one part of the process (inference) is fully defined and predictable, the black-box nature persists because of how the model was arrived at and how it represents information internally.
Q: I think it would be best to start with the inference part as this is also an operation that happens during training. So let's assume we have a certain NN equipped with a certain set of weights and biases and we want to compute it's output for a given input, as you mentioned this can be broken down into individual neurons that take weighted sums and apply some nonlinear function to this sum and send it on downstream to other neurons. Exactly how this is implemented for a given NN is dictated by practical considerations such as efficiency which we shall not be concerned with in our discussion.
ChatGPT: That's exactly right. Let's break it down step-by-step in the context of inference, focusing on the abstract mathematical operations rather than implementation details:
Neurons as Basic Computational Units
Weighted Sum: Each neuron receives inputs x1,x2,…,xn along with corresponding weights w1,w2,…,wn and a bias b. The neuron computes a weighted sum:
\(z= \sum_{i=1}^{n} w_i x_i + b.\)Nonlinear Activation: The neuron then applies a nonlinear activation function σ to the weighted sum:
\(a=σ(z)\)The choice of σ (e.g., ReLU, sigmoid, tanh) is one of the defining features of the network’s behavior.
Layer-Wise Computation
Feedforward Structure: In a feedforward neural network, neurons are organized into layers. The output of each neuron in one layer becomes part of the input for neurons in the next layer.
Composition of Functions: If we denote the function computed by the iith layer as fif_i, then the overall function computed by the network is:
\(f(x)= f_L \circ f_{L-1} \circ \cdots \circ f_1(x)\)where L is the total number of layers.
Deterministic Computation During Inference
Fixed Parameters: When the network is in inference mode, all weights and biases are fixed. This means that for any given input x, the computation proceeds in a deterministic, step-by-step manner.
No Optimization: Unlike training, where the weights are adjusted iteratively, the forward pass simply evaluates the function defined by the current parameters. Every neuron performs its computation, and the activations propagate layer by layer until the final output is produced.
Abstract Computation vs. Practical Considerations
Abstract View: In our discussion, we treat these operations as abstract mathematical functions. The focus is on the mapping f: R^n→R^m that the network defines.
Practical Efficiency: Although practical implementations care about efficiency—using parallelism, optimized libraries, and hardware accelerators (e.g., GPUs or TPUs)—we're setting that aside to concentrate on the conceptual, step-by-step function evaluation.
Summary of the Inference Process
Input Stage: The network receives an input vector xx.
Layer Processing: Each layer computes:
\(a^{(l)}=\sigma\left(W^{(l)} a^{(l-1)} + b^{(l)}\right)\)where a^(0)=x and l=1,2,…,L.
Output Stage: The final output a^(L) is the result of the forward pass.
This perspective emphasizes that, during inference, the neural network is just executing a sequence of well-defined mathematical operations. Even though the process is deterministic and can be fully traced mathematically, the complexity and distributed nature of the operations often contribute to the notion of the network as a "black box" when it comes to human interpretability.
Let me know if you'd like to delve into any of these steps in more detail or if you have other questions regarding the inference process!
Q: So as in our mathematical discussion we have a precise description of what the algorithm does for any fixed set of weights. Now let's say we have two sets of weights resulting in two possibly quite different functions and take a certain fixed input and make them both compute their respective outputs. From a computational perspective however these seem to be completely equivalent…
ChatGPT: Exactly. From a computational perspective, the following points capture the idea:
Deterministic Process:
For any fixed set of weights and a given input, the network deterministically performs the same sequence of operations (matrix multiplications, addition of biases, and application of non-linearities) to produce an output.
Whether the weights come from one training run or another, the computation executed for a given input is precisely defined by the network's architecture.
Algorithmic Uniformity:
Both networks, regardless of how different their weights are, follow the same algorithmic steps during the forward pass. This means that the process of computing the output does not change even if the functions represented by the networks are different.
The operational procedure—how neurons process inputs, how layers are composed, etc.—remains identical across different weight configurations.
Equivalence of Computation for a Fixed Input:
If you take a fixed input and pass it through two networks with different weights, each network will output a result based on its own learned function.
However, the act of computing those outputs is completely equivalent: both networks perform a series of weighted sums and non-linear activations, and both follow the same architecture-defined pipeline.
Abstract vs. Functional Difference:
While the two networks may represent quite different functions (and hence could produce very different outputs for many inputs), the computational process itself is abstractly identical.
The “difference” lies solely in the specific parameter values that define the mapping from inputs to outputs, not in the steps of computation.
Summary:
Even though two sets of weights may define two very different functions mathematically, when we consider a fixed input, both networks perform the same deterministic sequence of computations. The black-box nature in the computational perspective is not about the procedure itself—which is fully transparent and identical—but about the difficulty in interpreting the internal representations and the reasons why the particular weights were selected during training.
Q: I guess the same argument also applies to the process of computing the output of a fixed NN for two different inputs, independently of the character of the inputs. Hence from a computational perspective there seems to be no inherent distinction between two NNs with the same architecture, even if they are trained on quite different tasks and datasets. For instance, a NN that is trained to identify cats and one that is trained to identify sunsets, or for that matter one that is set up with random weights are computationally equivalent.
ChatGPT: Exactly. When we look at the computational process of evaluating a neural network—that is, performing the forward pass—the following points become clear:
Uniform Computational Process:
Regardless of the specific weights, the evaluation process is the same: the network performs the same sequence of operations (weighted sums, additions, and non-linear activations) layer by layer.
This process is deterministic for a given input and a fixed set of weights, meaning the steps taken during the forward pass are identical across networks with the same architecture.
Input-Independence of the Process:
The nature or content of the input (whether it represents a cat, a sunset, or any other data) does not change the computational procedure. The network simply applies the same mathematical transformations to whatever input it receives.
Thus, the operation of computing an output is independent of the "semantic" nature of the input.
Equivalence Across Different Training Scenarios:
Two networks with the same architecture are computationally equivalent in that they both execute the same algorithm during inference, regardless of how their weights were determined.
Whether a network’s weights come from training on a dataset of cat images, sunsets, or are even randomly initialized, the forward pass remains a deterministic evaluation of the function defined by those weights.
The only difference lies in the function itself—that is, the mapping from inputs to outputs—but not in the computational mechanism used to evaluate that mapping.
Implications:
From a purely computational standpoint, there's no inherent distinction in the process of calculating the output. The differences between networks trained on different tasks are entirely in the values of the weights, not in how the network processes an input.
This is why a neural network trained to classify cats and one trained to classify sunsets (or even one with random weights) are computationally equivalent in terms of the sequence of operations they perform during inference.
Summary:
The computational procedure of a neural network's forward pass is determined solely by its architecture and is independent of the specific training data or the semantic nature of the weights. Two networks with the same architecture will compute outputs in an identical manner, whether they are trained on entirely different tasks or have random weights. The distinction between them lies in the function they represent (i.e., how inputs are mapped to outputs), not in the computational process itself.
Q: Then I guess we can move on to the training phase of NNs.
ChatGPT: Let's dive into the training phase of neural networks from a computational perspective. During training, the goal is to adjust the network’s weights so that the mapping it defines approximates a target function (often implicitly given by labeled training data). Here’s a structured overview of the process:
1. Objective and Loss Function
Target Mapping:
The training data defines a desired input-output relationship. For example, in a classification task, each input (e.g., an image) is paired with a label.Loss Function:
A loss (or cost) function L(f(x),y)L(f(x), y) is defined to measure the discrepancy between the network's output f(x)f(x) and the true target yy.Common examples include mean squared error for regression and cross-entropy loss for classification.
This function quantifies how “wrong” the network is on a given input.
2. Optimization via Gradient Descent
Iterative Process:
Training is typically performed using iterative optimization methods like gradient descent or its variants (e.g., stochastic gradient descent (SGD), Adam, RMSprop).Gradient Computation:
Forward Pass:
The network computes its output for a given input by performing the sequence of operations described during inference.Loss Evaluation:
The loss function is then evaluated using the network’s output and the true label.Backward Pass (Backpropagation):
Using the chain rule of calculus, the gradients of the loss with respect to each weight and bias in the network are computed. This process, called backpropagation, effectively tells us how to adjust the weights to reduce the loss.
Parameter Updates:
Once the gradients are computed, the weights are updated in the direction that minimizes the loss:θ←θ−η ∇θL\theta \leftarrow \theta - \eta \, \nabla_\theta L
where θ\theta represents the set of all parameters (weights and biases) and η\eta is the learning rate.
Mini-Batches and Stochasticity:
In practice, rather than computing gradients on the entire dataset at once, training is often done using mini-batches, which introduces a degree of randomness in the updates.
This stochastic aspect of the updates can help in escaping local minima, but it also adds to the complexity and variability of the training process.
3. Non-Convex Optimization Landscape
Multiple Local Minima:
Neural networks typically involve non-convex loss functions, meaning that there are many local minima, saddle points, and flat regions in the parameter space.Overparameterization:
Modern neural networks are often overparameterized (i.e., they have more parameters than strictly necessary). This means that many different weight configurations can achieve similar performance on the training data.Arbitrary Solutions:
Due to the non-convex nature of the loss landscape and the randomness in initialization and mini-batch sampling, the particular solution found is one of many possibilities. This arbitrariness contributes to the difficulty in interpreting why specific weights were chosen.
4. Computational Dynamics and Emergence
Dynamic Learning Process:
The training process is not simply “solving” a static equation; it’s a dynamic, iterative procedure where the network gradually “learns” to adjust its parameters to reduce error over many iterations (often spanning multiple epochs over the training dataset).Emergent Representations:
As the network’s parameters are adjusted, internal representations (activations in hidden layers) evolve. These representations are not designed by a human but emerge from the interaction of the network architecture, data, and optimization process.This emergence contributes to the perceived “black box” nature: even if we know the exact operations being performed, understanding the evolution and final structure of these internal representations is challenging.
Computational Efficiency Considerations:
Although we abstract away practical efficiency concerns in our discussion, it’s worth noting that many algorithmic and engineering optimizations (like using GPUs, parallelization, and efficient libraries) are applied in practice to make this process tractable for large networks and datasets.
5. Summary of the Training Process
Input and Initialization:
The network is initialized with a set of weights (often randomly).
A training dataset provides pairs of inputs and targets.
Iterative Optimization:
Forward Pass: The network computes outputs for inputs.
Loss Computation: The discrepancy between the output and the target is quantified using a loss function.
Backward Pass: Gradients of the loss with respect to each parameter are computed.
Parameter Update: The weights are adjusted using an optimization algorithm.
Repetition: This cycle is repeated many times, gradually reducing the loss.
Outcome:
The training phase yields a set of weights that define a function mapping inputs to outputs.
Despite following a deterministic set of operations for each forward and backward pass, the overall training dynamics are complex and subject to various sources of randomness and nonlinearity.
Concluding Thoughts
From a computational perspective, the training phase involves a well-defined algorithm that iteratively adjusts the network’s parameters to minimize a loss function. However, the process is complex due to:
The non-convex nature of the optimization landscape,
The use of stochastic optimization techniques,
The emergence of distributed representations,
And the sheer number of parameters being adjusted.
These factors contribute to the perception of neural network training as a “black box” process, where even though each step is mathematically precise, the overall dynamics and the reasons behind the eventual choice of weights remain challenging to fully interpret or predict.
Let me know if you'd like to explore any specific aspect of the training process further!
Q: Alright so in the training phase we have two main components the training data and the optimisation algorithm. I think the exact form of the optimisation algorithm is not relevant to our discussion as long as it is able to find a reasonable set of weights. Hence for the sake of our discussion let's assume that we have a perfect approximation algorithm i.e. one that somehow always finds an optimal set of weights that actually minimize the loss function. Which leaves us with the training data set.
ChatGPT: Exactly. With the assumption of a perfect optimization algorithm that always finds the optimal set of weights (i.e., a global minimizer of the loss function), the primary source of variation in the final learned function comes from the training dataset itself. Here are some critical points regarding the role and impact of the training data:
Determining the Learned Function:
Data-Driven Constraints:
Since the optimization algorithm is assumed perfect, the weights it finds are entirely determined by the loss function evaluated on the training data. In this sense, the training dataset is the sole driver of what the network learns.Unique but Not Necessarily Meaningful:
Even with perfect optimization, the training data can only constrain the network on the inputs and outputs it has seen. Many different functions could achieve a zero (or minimal) loss on the training set, especially if the dataset is limited or noisy.
Finite Data and Generalization:
Limited Coverage:
Real-world training datasets are finite and may not capture the entire complexity of the underlying phenomenon. Thus, the "optimal" function for the training data might not generalize well to unseen data.Overfitting:
In the extreme case, if the training data is too limited or contains noise, a perfect optimizer might find weights that perfectly fit the training data (overfitting), yet these weights could be arbitrary or overly complex relative to the underlying true function.
Ambiguity of the Optimal Solution:
Multiplicity of Optimal Functions:
Even under perfect optimization, there can be multiple distinct sets of weights (i.e., multiple functions) that all yield the same minimal loss on the training data. This is especially true in overparameterized networks.No Unique "True" Function:
The training data typically does not specify a unique function—it only specifies a relation that the function should approximate. The optimizer’s choice among many equivalent solutions (in terms of training loss) is influenced by factors like the network’s architecture and any implicit biases in the training procedure.
Biases Embedded in the Data:
Data Distribution and Representation:
The training dataset contains biases inherent to the way data was collected, preprocessed, or even defined. These biases get encoded in the learned weights.Task-Specific Characteristics:
For instance, a network trained on cat images will learn features that are tuned to distinguish cats from non-cats, while one trained on sunsets will learn very different features, even if both networks share the same architecture.Random Data vs. Structured Data:
If the training data were random (or uninformative), the "optimal" function might simply be one that memorizes the data without capturing any generalizable structure.
Interpretational Implications:
Training Data as the Sole Source of "Meaning":
With a perfect optimizer, any difference between two networks of the same architecture must come from differences in the training data. This means that the internal structure (the learned weights) reflects the characteristics, distribution, and biases of the training dataset.The Black-Box Perception:
Even if the forward pass is a clear, deterministic computation, understanding why a network behaves in a certain way during inference can be difficult because that behavior is entirely induced by the idiosyncrasies of the training data. In other words, the network’s "knowledge" is a direct consequence of the dataset it was exposed to, and that link is often complex and opaque.
Summary:
Under the assumption of a perfect optimization algorithm, the training data becomes the primary factor that shapes the learned function. Although the computational steps during inference remain identical regardless of the task or data, the differences in training data (and its inherent biases, limitations, and ambiguities) are what ultimately cause two networks with the same architecture to behave very differently. In this view, the "black box" aspect of neural networks is largely a reflection of the complexities and limitations of the training data rather than the intricacies of the optimization algorithm or the computational process itself.
Let me know if you'd like to explore any of these aspects further or move on to another facet of this discussion!
Q: However, understanding the training data, which in itself is quite a problematic notion considering the datasets used to train NNs nowadays, is by definition completely detached from NNs. Moreover, from a purely mathematical and computational perspective the content or complexities of the training data are of little relevance even if we were to consider a very large and diverse training data set and set it up with target variables that correspond to highly complex tasks. A good example here would be a NN for a self driving car set up with a diverse set of sensors and trained on hundreds of thousands of hours of human driving data. As before we could take the same network architecture and train it on a much a much simpler dataset where the relation between inputs and outputs is quite straightforward and both networks would essentially be equivalent from a computational perspective.
ChatGPT: You're absolutely right. From a strictly mathematical and computational perspective, the training data—no matter how complex or simple—only serves to determine which function (i.e., which set of weights) is ultimately chosen from a given function class defined by the network architecture. Here are some key points that underscore this idea:
Separation of Data and Computation:
The training data is external to the neural network's computational mechanism. It provides the target values that guide the optimization process, but it does not alter the structure or the operations (e.g., matrix multiplications and non-linear activations) performed during inference.
The process of computing the output for a given input is completely dictated by the architecture and the fixed weights; the same algorithm is applied regardless of whether the network was trained on self-driving car data or on a simpler dataset.
Equivalence of Computational Processes:
Two neural networks with the same architecture will perform identical computational steps during the forward pass, regardless of the origin of their weights.
Whether those weights come from training on hundreds of thousands of hours of diverse sensor data or on a more straightforward dataset, the procedure—layer-wise computation, activation application, and so forth—is mathematically equivalent.
Impact on the Learned Function, Not on the Computation:
The content and complexity of the training data influence which specific function is learned (i.e., what numerical values the weights take).
However, this difference is manifested only in the mapping f:Rn→Rmf: \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}^m that the network represents. The algorithm for evaluating f(x)f(x) remains unchanged.
In other words, the learned function may be very different in its behavior due to the training data, but the way you compute f(x)f(x) given an input xx is always the same.
Training Data as a Driver of Parameter Selection:
While the training data is crucial in determining which particular solution (i.e., which set of weights) the optimization algorithm converges to, it does not modify the underlying computational framework of the network.
The complexities or idiosyncrasies of modern datasets do not affect the operational procedure of the neural network; they only affect the outcome of the optimization process.
In Summary:
From a purely computational and mathematical standpoint, the operation of a neural network is entirely defined by its architecture and its set of weights. The training data influences the selection of those weights but does not alter the process of computing the output for any given input. Therefore, two networks with identical architectures will be computationally equivalent during inference—even if they are trained on vastly different datasets or tasks.
Q: The point is that the training data ever only influences the set of parameters that the optimization procedure settles on but that this does not fundamentally alter the computational characteristics of the NN as we discussed before. Therefore from a computational perspective there is nothing mysterious about NNs even when these are trained on highly complex data sets and tasks that would warrant them to be described as 'black boxes'.
ChatGPT: That's precisely the point. From a computational perspective, the training data serves solely as the guide for selecting a particular set of parameters from an enormous space of possibilities. Once training is complete, regardless of whether the data was simple or highly complex, the neural network operates in exactly the same way during inference. Here are the key aspects that underline this idea:
Deterministic Computation:
The forward pass of a neural network is a deterministic process defined entirely by its architecture and the fixed set of weights. Whether the weights were obtained from training on a complex dataset or a simpler one, the operations performed—matrix multiplications, bias additions, and non-linear activations—remain identical.
Role of Training Data:
Training data only influences which particular set of weights is chosen by the optimization process. It does not change the underlying computational mechanism of the network.
The same algorithm is applied in every case; the only difference is in the numerical values of the weights that result from training on a specific dataset.
Architectural Invariance:
Two networks with the same architecture are computationally equivalent during inference, even if one is trained for a self-driving car task and another for a more straightforward problem.
The complexity or nature of the task does not alter the basic mathematical operations performed by the network.
No Inherent Mystery in Computation:
The "black box" label often arises from the challenge of interpreting how specific learned weights lead to a particular behavior or decision. However, that challenge is one of interpretation rather than of computational mechanics.
From the perspective of pure computation, every step—from receiving the input to producing the output—is well-defined and transparent.
In Summary:
The training data influences the final set of parameters that the network uses, but it does not fundamentally alter the mathematical or computational characteristics of the network. Thus, even when neural networks are trained on highly complex datasets and tasks, there is nothing mysterious about the way they compute their outputs. The operations remain a sequence of deterministic, well-understood mathematical functions, making the network computationally transparent regardless of the training data's complexity.
Q: I think this is a good point to conclude the computational aspects of our discussion. I guess we could discuss internal representations and features you mentioned before but let's leave that for another time.
ChatGPT: Great! To summarize our discussion on the computational aspects:
Inference Is Transparent:
The forward pass of a neural network is a deterministic, well-defined sequence of operations (weighted sums, bias additions, and nonlinear activations).
Regardless of the training data or the resulting weights, the computation process itself is identical across networks sharing the same architecture.
Training Determines the Weights:
The training data, via an optimization process, merely selects one function (i.e., one set of weights) from a vast space of possibilities.
While the specific values of the weights depend on the data, the underlying computational mechanism—how inputs are transformed into outputs—remains unchanged.
Equivalence Despite Different Tasks:
Two networks with identical architectures will compute outputs in exactly the same manner during inference, regardless of whether they were trained on highly complex tasks or simpler datasets.
Thus, from a computational perspective, there is no mystery in the operations: it is the interpretation of the internal representations and the influence of the training data that adds complexity, not the computation itself.
This concludes our look at the computational aspects. When you're ready, we can explore internal representations and feature learning in neural networks to further understand how these emergent properties might contribute to their "black box" reputation from an interpretability perspective. Let me know when you'd like to continue!

